mikehall:
Your being a zionist was not the point. It was your pointing to the army as the source of the victory.
g_a_w:
Please go back the Yerushalmi I quoted earlier and explained to me why an army is necessary. To me the Yerushalmi is suggesting that the soldiers are destroyers and it is ONLY the lomdei Torah that are protecting the city. I am sure you can see why I am drawing these parallels from that Yerushalmi. There is no such thing as ‘the best of both worlds’ when it comes to Torah. Whenever we are engaged in anything that is not Torah – even if it is another mitzvah we are not doing the ideal. It might be what Hashem wants from us, but that is from His perspective. I urge you again to pick up the sefer Binyan Olam. I really feel you especially will understand what its about.
mamashtakah:
First I was going to make a tirade about your second paragraph. Instead I offer the following. Can you go back to the Yerushalmi that I quoted earlier in this thread and explain to me your position in light of the Yerushalmi. Especially I would like you to explain how to understand your comment “What would have happened to all of the scholars if there was no army?” in conjunction to that Yerushalmi.
You are mistaken. Believing that learning Torah itself will protect us from anything is not depending on miracles. Hashem put into the teva of the world that the sun rises during the day, rain comes out of the clouds and learning Torah protects the individual and the klal. This is not a miracle that we are talking about but nature.
And NEVER put your FAITH in the army. This is bfeirush a pasuk.
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