Reply To: How we relate to Chillonim vs Neturei Karta

DaMoshe and besalel, it is certainly true that NK goes about broadcasting their opinions in very provocative, in-your-face way. But is that really so bad that it justifies the amount of hate people show them?

zdad:

As DY noted, you didn’t answer the question: Do you or do you not consider somebody who doesn’t daven, keep Shabbos, kashrus, etc. a rasha?

Also, as I pointed out above I think the label of tinok sehnishba is just as applicable to a born and bred NK as it is to the irreligious. So if you don’t think a tinok shenishba is a rasha, most of NK shouldn’t be rashim either.

Where do you draw the line?

Redlag:

“There is a vast difference between being anti-Zionist and actively giving aid and comfort to an avowed enemy of, not only the State of Israel, but of all Jews everywhere.”

Not to condone the aforementioned actions of NK in any way, but I really don’t see how just meeting with Ahmadinejad would be aiding him. It’s not like NK’s support will unlock any doors for Iran.

“Could anyone on this blog imagine the late Satmar Rav, Rav Yoylish, who was known for his strongly anti-Zionist views, visiting and giving support to Ahmedinijad?”

Absolutely not. But this isn’t about whether NK is a right or wrong; it’s about the discrepancy in the attitudes displayed at things NK does that we strongly disagree with and the things that the chillonim do that we strongly disagree with. Why do we react so differently?

Redleg:

“it is a grave mistake to believe that Chilonim as a group, hate Chareidim”

True, but what does that (and the following accusations you level at the “militant Chareidi factions”) have to do with anything?

crisisoftheweek, way to stick your talking points into a conversation they have nothing to do with.