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HaKatan
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Respect for people is wonderful and nobody said otherwise.

But this does not preclude pointing out that that the gedolim held that the ideology of MO was and is terribly wrong.

To be clear, the founder of MO was condemned by the gedolim of his time for MO (and, included in that, is Zionism, since you seem to prefer that I bring it up).

Further, a well-known MO posek gave a Nationalistic (i.e. Avoda Zara, as per Rav Elchonon, et al.) explanation for why “liChaOra” Zionists believe that liHalacha Jews may sacrifice their lives for the State of Israel (regardless of whether or not Jewish lives are saved). Rav Schwab sadly referred to people like this as “Talmid Chacham sheEin bo Deah” and, essentially, to hope that people like this will “return to their (Torah) senses”.

As well, in MO one finds the “hevel uRius ruach”, etc. (quoting Rav Shlomo Miller’s words) regarding the questionable Broyde piece.

To be sure, nobody is claiming that all MO agree with all of this. One hopes that at least some MO (of all levels) know better in these (and other) matters than MO’s founder, and some of their rabbis, including a rather well-known posek.

But it is indisputable that all this is genuine MO and, perhaps worse, that MO still won’t admit that it’s wrong.

There are more recent examples, etc. but the point is NOT to “bash” MO.

Decades ago, Rav Schwab asked MO to rejoin traditional orthodoxy but, sadly, it seems that MO feels they know better. Bizarrely, MO attempts to claim legitimacy from Rav Schwab’s very derech, TIDE, while Rav Schwab very clearly and publicly nixed this “possibility”.

DaMoshe:

Your contention that you “clarified there that MO does not endorse such behaviors”, is not at all clear.

Again, respect of the people is wonderful, but not of the ideology.