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Thanks, Mobico. I was also thinking something similar, that the Gemara was using this to illustrate the arguments as to which one is better. In truth, when good times strike, first comes excitement and then when you settle you will be naturally happy. However, the Jews in the time of Mordechai were first and foremost relieved from the Tzara before getting on to being excited about a victory.

So each one has precedence at different times. Similarly, each one has a menial application as well. There is nothing exciting about leaving your home but you can be happy nevertheless. On the other hand excitement can be found by small events too, as long as it is a change — such as getting water once a year.

A Min is one who only has Torah Shebichsav. Therefore, like those today who use scripture, it is bound to be shallow. When the Gemara wanted to put down this debate there was no one better to look for than two Minim with such names that will use Pesukim for their own prestige.

There must be a historical bent, Roman fighting, Pshat to all this, no? Like, these were really two legions arguing if they should go out directly to fight or sneak near the water. This whole Gemara is a secret code that Rebbi Avahu sent from his hideout.