How would anyone feel if one of their’s became a turncoat and joined the other side? During a time of war or shmad, when the enemies of the Torah are trying to force you to join them you must resist.
Children this is what happens when you dont join the army
I am a jewish charedi yeshivish woman and all I can say is that I’m absolutely disgusted. If you don’t want to join the army then get a petur and don’t join how dare you call someone a nazi for being in the army. Where are these chuldrens mothers and fathers. I hope they are very ashamed of the chilul Hashem they made. There children have no middos at all. Have you ever taught your children who nazis are???? If you wanna call an boy in the idf and nazi then you should not live in Israel and be protected by them day and night. In fact they should be receiving so much respect from all of yisroel
Tzioni Haganah Leyisrael represents kefirah.
A bunch of sick degenerates who give the overwhelming decent majority, Chareidi and otherwise, of Bet Shemesh a bad name.
this type behavior is splitting us [the religious factions ]apart.how painful to use that “word”…
This chayal (although I completely disagree with protesting and insulting one) was very well aware what neighborhood he was in… He knew when he walked in there that he is going to get that. Big chances are that he walked in their to spite them… if thats the case then you get what you pay for.
Our zaidi Avraham, Rebbe Akiva and his tens of thousands of talmidim, and the Chofetz Chaim all just tore kriyah at this bizayon. Those weren’t yidden yelling. Those weren’t the sounds of baalei bayshanus, rachmanus and chasadus…. those beings were klippos mamesh.
The depth of insanity is too much to bear theese hassidim are tottaly detached from reality it is unbeleivable how spoiled they are,if they would have to go out and wrok everyday they would not have the appetite for this kinf of insanity spoiled beyond words .
The guy is holding a gun. Why didn’t he just use it. Oh I guess he’s not a nazi.
LBJ – please read Sefer Devarim, Sefer Shmuel, Sefer Yehoshua again and also Rambams laws of Melachim. You might find that you are the one who is Cofer!!! Also read again books by Rabbi Avigdor Miller about how we need the army and how in Sefer Shmuel certain tribes are admonished for not training and arming themselves
The reason Hashem had to use the Secular Zionists to bring us back to Eretz Yisral is because we didnt heed the signs. The Vilna Gaon and the Chasam Sofer (amongst others) tried to get us back but again we didnt listen. Where is Vilna, Voloshin and Brisk today? Zionism is changing within itself and secular zionism is dying. Religious Zionism is thriving Baruch Hashem
I wonder where the degenerates screaming at the soldier came from, and what they’re doing in the area? This scene is in RBS A, on Rechov Nachal Sorek, right outside the main RBS A shopping center. This area is very chareidi, but not with the Eda/Yerushalmi-type that usually are involved with this kind of Kafuy Tov and can be seen in this video. That group lives mainly in RBS B, which is over a mile away.
an Israeli Yid
#2: This behavior is exactly what makes people oppose Torah and the Charedim.
I ALMOST THREW UP WHEN I SAW THIS!!! I’m impressed with his self control; especially when holding an automatic rifle!
Hashem will definitely take care of these CHOLIM!! I would say we should demand of their rebbes to order that they stop this disgusting behavior, but they are doing it too.
Where is Vilna, Voloshin and Brisk today?
thriving all over the world in every yeshiva what world are you in. there is no milchemes mitzvah today ask any of the real gedlolim or rather anyone with seichel hayashar.
#8 – You’re 100% correct. When you walk into a pen with rabid dogs you might get bitten.
so disgusting to see a real hillul hashem
These “jews” have no chelek in olam habah. These “jews” who yell and scream and cause massive irrevocable chillul Hashem in public all in the name of Torah are no different than the Rasha. Even if they were in Egyot they would not have been redeemed. Mazel Tov to the parents of these kids who have trained them as such-you will be proud going to the grave knowing that you have caused chillul Hashem, chillul Torah and hatred from the non-jewish and jewish world at large.
No wait! Youw ill complain that you have no meney and that teh government doesnt help you-you will then stone them, yell at them and call them nazi’s all in the name of YOUR torah. You are all a pathetic bunch of losers-you have nothing to do but fight with your fellow jews. I absolutely abhor you all.
And to you IBJ-where is the real Yeshiva? It certainly is not in the street in RBS-and if it is-it should be shut down.
while not condoning what went on in this video, the shouting or choice of words shouted( i think its completely wrong to waste the term “nazi”, it lowers its value dramatically when one compares a chradie soldier to those animals that murdered my grandfathers family), i think the soldier knew exactly what he was getting in to. watch seconds 0:06-0:09 and see the look on his face….
a) Apparently Holocaust education should be MANDATORY for Charedi schools. Obviously (!!) a Frum soldier in an army defending milions of Jews in Eretz Yisroel is NOT the equivalent of a Nazi who tried to murder all the Jewish men, women and children in the most horrible ways.
b) What can be SERIOUSLY done to Address this. I know YW had a recent editorial about Chilul Hashem. It was Also a Chilul Hashem that no one spoke out against the screamers. I should mention on the internet ine sees quite a few Haredim end up going off the derech. Teaching Derech Erets and Mentshlichkeit and about the differences among 100% Kosher Frum Yiddin may help at least a little to stop that.
I was a bachur in israel and have seen scenes like this numerous times. In elul there where many hafganos, when did these hafganos take place?in mid afternoon i see signs calling for these demonstrations at 2 in the afternoon. Why arent these guys in yeshiva? Plus all this is there life they have no outlets besides this they love this, and in my opinion this is why ppl died by the levaya as one person commented they look fwd to this and everyone needs to be in the front, they need to be taught proper middos and have more outlets!!
Hashem please help us we see that we need your help and can’t manage without you.
Perhaps: It’s time that we together with all Rabbonim, Rashaya Yeshivas, Gedolim and Rebbes שליט”א, abolish the long Bein Hazmanim and keep it to a real MINIMUM!!!
May Hashem have Rachmonus on all Yidden world wide, and help us do Teshuva to encourage the coming of Moshiach in the near future, Amen.
#8 you are 100% WRONG and you #17 shouldn’t be so quick to blindly support him. As #13 says the area where the soldier is walking is an area where soldiers and all sorts of people walk all day and everyday without incident. It is across from the building the houses the supermarket “Zol B’Shefa” in the RBS A shopping center. Happens to be that this afternoon a group of protesters came en masse from RBS B to protest what they perceive as building on kevorim. The soldiers timing was just off. Our neighborhood while chareidi in character is very grateful by and large to all those dedicated soldiers who risk their lives everyday and even those in our neighborhood (if they exist) that aren’t as grateful as they should be certainly don’t feel as these lunatics do. So soldiers (and all other Jews) you are welcome to come visit our neighborhood. Please don’t listen to # 3 and #17 oh and #17 don’t worry about the rabies we all got our shots.
if these chayos were truly a true example of yiddishkeit, I would have left the fold a long time ago. Baruch Hashem my parents taught me midos and derech eretz, unlike these dfrek fressers. These are just mentally deficient people dressed in chasidic garb. Oh, and that applies to every person here who blames the soldier. As is the case of molested kids, there are always those who blame the victim.
I am so proud of my son who proudly served his people and his country in the Nachal chareidi Netzach Yehudah division. I also salute the ahavas yIsrael of Rabbi Yochanan Danziger and the other devoted Jews who encouraged these young men who daily risk their lives for all of their people (both those who appreciate their sacrifice and those who don’t ). Hashem loves us and loves our soldiers. I salute all of our sons, the learners, the fighters and the earners. This is what it takes to be a nation. Love you all.
#4 I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is an embarrassing chilul Hashem. What are these people THINKING??
Attention Mr. Toras Moshe:
Did you forget the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza?
Do you really believe that there is a drop of Reward waiting for someone in the next world, if he during his life time destroyed other people? Show me proof from Toras Moshe that my understanding is an error. I will watch for your reply in the comments.
Everyone in that mob must observe Yom ha’Atzmaut next week, and be forced to clean the toilets at army bases for life.
what a chillul hashem that soldier was forsure koneh olam haba like chazal say yesh koneh olamo bsha achas and all of those reshaim were koneh gehenom in one second arent those flat hatters the people who represent the chareidi community the most with the long robes and the curly peios dont they realize that thanks to the israeli soldiers they are able to live in peace in eretz yisroel they are kafuy tov and sofam leyrash gehenom how come the rabbonim go out against the reform and conservative and the tzionim and these people that are 100 times worse noone speaks out against them are these the same anilmals that kiss the arabs nd encourage them to keep terrorizing the state of israel.
this is disgusting who knows if that frum soldier was having a hard time staying frum in the army . its not easy . just imagine now what his attitude towards the frume will be those beheimos will burn in gehenom and serve as a heater to keep that soldier warm during the winter while he is sitting in gan eden. may hashem taake his revenge on those animal lije we say in the piyut of yigdal nosen lrasha ra kirishaso. and may we be zoche to see all of those fakers die out in the milchama of gog umagog and then moshiach ben dovid will ome to be goel the real yidden who do the ratzon hashem and arent mechallel sheim shomayim befahrhesia.amen.
I certainly do not agree with such obnoxious behavior,but for the sake of accuracy,this headline is a bit mis leading.
These “chasidim” were finishing up there “Golevensis project” kevarim protest.(they view the bones found, render the site assur to build on).
They were just screaming at the yasamnikim and other police who were
at the site.They actually protest at the site quite regularly.
Many “chasidim” were thrown into puddles of mud and pushed aside forcefully.What you are seeing is some of them marching after there organized prayer protest.
The soldier smiled as he was walking b/c soldiers are always seen in this area of Ramat beth shemesh,and no big deal.
These particular “chasiddim” are used to calling the police ,who beat them nazis,so here some seemed to get carried away again.I saw this whole seen from my balcony,it is a shame you could not see the police running after them and police vans as well as special water canon vehicles,chasing away the crowd.I in no way agree with this “chasidic” chilul hashem,however I also Did not like to see the “chasidim” being kicked and pushed by rough brutal police .You can look back in your YWN archives for more details on the eida chareidis’ differing opinions regarding the building being halachicly permissable once the bones were found at the site.)
#2 thank you toras moshe, a true ehrlicher yid who keeps toras moshe!!!
#4 dotty (what a suitable name), have you EVER read the statistics before you wrote a comment in this subject. OVER 99% of the boys that join the army go off the derech… ARE YOU NORMAL!! is that the army you want YOUR son to join?
#9 you must be a bissle mixed up, the army are the klipos. do you know how many millions of shekels have been put in ‘getting the chareidim into the army’!!! they have a special inyan in getting us in, and we have to fight them!
#12 yeah, chardalnik, even you would agree that most of the shtark chardalnikim who go through the 3 year army stint don’t come out on the same spiritual level as they went in!
and as #16 said, volozhin, brisk and vilna are thriving IN the yeshivos, NOT in the army!
and i can assure you that rav avigdor miller was NOT talking about the israeli army of nowadays
#19 you’ve probably been watching too many moovies to realise that all those chareidi soldiers are choiteh u’machti. they are proud to go around as chareidi soldiers, and like amolek, they the cool down the others – making it an ‘okay’ thing to go into the army. so i wonder WHO doesn’t have a chelek in olam haba.
bekitzer, it’s fun posting comments from just watching a clip and being so biased. When it comes to the subject of the israeli army, read up a little on it b/4 you post.
not too long ago, YWN posted that a frum soldier was maltreated for wanting to keep his beard. now if this happened in america whooo hooo what a noise would be heard out there. i know of boys who were forced to work on shabbos – not pikuach nefesh – they were forced to do sponja to clean the baracks b/4 one of the captains came to visit the army base…
is THAT called a jewish army?!
for heaven’s sake, stop giving a ‘mehadrin hechsher’ to this wicked army!
אין לנו על מי להישען אלא על אבינו שבשמים not on the IDF
Toras Moshe- The soldiers are not our enemy and they are not the “other side.” The soldiers are Gods messengers in protecting us from our enemies using teva and hishtadlus. And while people learning may provide greater protection against our enemies, they certainly don’t risk their lives doing so and we owe the one’s who do hakaras hatov.
If there is an “enemy” in this saga, it is those who are trying to force people out of the beis medrash into the army, but not the soldiers themselves. And if a person decided that full time Torah study is not for him, then going to the army and risking his life to protect Klal Yisroel is a heroic act, not a Nazi like enemy act of the “other side.”
@geula This is in Ramat Beit Shemesh Alef, they do not live in this neighborhood. They live in bet. The soldier lives in alef. Chutzpa to come to his/my neighboorhood and behave like this… I think I’m going to throw a parade in bet on Yom Hatzmaut and see how they like it.
yup I agree, all Jews should lay down their weapons and invite their nice neighbors – Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, PLO, Iran and maybe ISIS to live in peace and harmony. Then we could all be M’kayem the wishes of the saintly Satmar Rav. Sounds wonderful doesn’t it? If you don’t like that idea too much, do you have any others?
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL JUMPING TO WRONG CONCLUSION….
THIS PROTEST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SOLDIER!!!!!!
THE PEOPLE YOU SEE PROTESTING ARE PROTESTING FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY BEING BUILT ON JEWISH GRAVES!!!! THEY HAPPEN TO BE WRONG BECAUSE THE GEDOLIM HAVE REVIEWED THE CASE AND PASKENED THAT THERE WERE NO GRAVES IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY WILL BE BUILDING FUTURE APT. BUILDINGS.
THEY ARE JUST PROTESTING FOR THE BUILDINGS AND THIS GUY HAPPEN TO PASS BY WHEN EVERYONE IS VENTING…
I KNOW I LIVE IN RIGHT THERE!!!!!
Moderators Note: And this gives them a reason to call a Jew a “Nazi”? Just want to make sure we all understand the “dan lechas zechus” you are giving these people. Cant help but wonder aloud if you actually believe the holy Satmar Rebbe ZATZAL would have EVER dared call an Israeli Soldier – or any other Jew a “Nazi”?
“the army are the klipos”
….18year old kids, brought up with zero background, who mamash defend millions of yidden…. THEY are klippos? I’m not sure you know what the word means.
“do you know how many millions of shekels have been put in getting the chareidim into the army”
…probably 1 or 2,000,000. maybe. trillions less than have been put in the pockets of those who have NO business learning full time.
This is what happens when you are mess with yiddishkeit.
For millenia we were learner/earners.
That IS yiddishkeit.
We went from asarah batlanim to you-can’t-get-a-shidduch-if-you-worked-for-your-parnassah.
A Mentsch works.
a Mentsch provides for his own family.
a Mentsch never misses a minyan.
a Mentsch never misses a seder and shows up on time.
a Mentsch learns every free second he can in between.
a Mentsch lives his whole day b’toras this learning.
These beings are certainly NOT mentches.
And the reason is because they live on handouts.
Becoming a mentsch is a progression that requires working.
(Working in a field, manner and way that is b’toras halacha and ehrlichkeit of course.)
Exhibit A: the welfare society in America.
Have you ever met the teenager bred out of a Multi generational welfare family?
They have the same middos as those “people” in the video.
The biggest chillul hashem of all is posting something which is a chillul Hashem and inviting everyones comments about it (the comments are actually more of a chillul Hashem than the scene itself).
that’s garbage. Even the goyim know: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Even if you want to say he was in the “wrong” place at the “wrong” time, how can these people possibly call a fellow Jew, Nazi???
torahsmoshe-the turncoats here are the biney chabala donned in black coats screaming “Nazi”, on a day when Jews with infinitely more Torah midos commemorate the lives that the real Nazis took. All that they established is the true bankruptcy of their hashkafas, and yours. If you feel it is gods will to swarm and harass Torah observant soldiers who put themselves between unarmed chareidi women/children and bullets,rpg’s,ied’s from chezbollah and isis, then I would choose shmad over whatever idol worship both you and they are selling as “torahs moshe”. You all pervert what I hold dear.
Geula- i urge you to know some facts before defending evil. This atrocity took place in the soldiers own neighborhood! The soldier is walking on the side walk of his own neighborhood, towards either his house or the shopping area when he is surrounded and accosted by insurgents who had blocked a busy street “leshem shomayim”
These terrorists are beyond help from Holocaust education, in fact, they blame the holocaust on any jews that have hashkafos different than theirs. The only solution I have is
A jew who cares- if posters criticizing the people in the story is a chilul Hashem, then isn’t your criticizing of those posters a chillul Hashem?
Toras Moshe I hope you dont represent the yeshiva Toras Moshe (TOMO) you are the type of person who turned me off from the charedi world. If they all think like you (which they dont ive later learned) then what makes them GDs chosen people? I used to have a naive idea of live and let live but you show me that even though i dont mind people who think like you you mind people who think like me. go think, learn, and stop wasting your time posting terrible hurtful things online
a) I do think it should have been pointed out the mob came for a protest regarding alleged ancient graves. That’s why there was a mob
b) at the same time Of COurse its an outrage so many “frum heimish” dressing people shouted Nazi at a frum Jewish soldier in an army that defends millions of Jews, including THEM, in Eretz Yisroel, our holy land and heritage. It is WRONG because 1) embarrassing a fellow Jew, 2) chillul Hashem for the treatment of a soldier, 3) calling a Jew a Nazi is an outrage – even a non-Jew should not be called a Nazi unless they want to murder and / or torture millions of Jews.
c) is there a constructive purpose to the video that can help STOP this – otherwise it might be perpetuating a Chilul Hashem. I do agree – something SHOULD be tried to be done.
monseyshechita: I’m not familiar with that yeshiva.
geula #8: +1
chilliworker2 #33: +1
for them to re experience the holocaust. They need to be reminded of what true Nazis are. Immediate mass emigration to Europe or Iraq is all that can knock some humanity into these animals.
Is this Adopt a Kollel?
TorasMoshe – I hope when the New Age Nazis come for you, you have other Jews to protect you & your family.
Geula – I live in RBSA, fortunately away from this ugly incident, so I didn’t see it. However, these animals from Bet who call themselves frum have no business marching into MY neighborhood & telling us what to do. This soldier is a hero. He would lay down his life in a heartbeat for these ungrateful leeches who take but never give.
And on a similar note – when the siren for Yom Hashoah sounded today, my neighbor’s daughter stood & said Tehillim to honor 6 million Kedoshim. Her zaidie was in Dachau for 3 years. So what did her Chassidic teacher do? She called her student a goy.
This is what is happening – hatred seems to be self-perpetuating & decent people live in fear. No more.
This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen and a huge Chilul Hashem.
It makes no difference what they went there for.
They seriously stepped over the line calling another Jew a nazi.
How dare they?!?!!
The message they intended to give was “we represent the Torah world; you do not”. Do any of us disagree that the behavior displayed by them is the antithesis of torahdicke behavior?
I think not.
Whether one agrees or not about serving in the army, basic mentchlechkeit towards another we can all agree upon.
I am so proud of my son who proudly served his people and his country in the Nachal chareidi Netzach Yehudah division. I also salute the ahavas yIsrael of Rabbi YD and the other devoted Jews who encouraged these young men who daily risk their lives for all of their people (both those who appreciate their sacrifice and those who don’t ). Hashem loves us and loves our soldiers. I salute all of our sons, the learners, the fighters and the earners. This is what it takes to be a nation. Love you all.
This is just sick. The NAZIs brutally murdered every Jew they could. Our holy soldiers protect us and our ability to live here and learn here. And yes, I am chareidi. And I’ve lived in RBS A.
I know dozens of great boys who went into the army through hesder, netsach or mechina and had great, character building experiences. The very few that went off are unfortunate, but it wasn’t because of the army. I have friends from the best yeshivas in NY who went off after three years on beis midrash – the army has nothing to do with it.
To the moderator: I didn’t say that their actions were correct or justified. I absolutely agree with you that there is no place to call another Jew a Nazi, especially a Kadosh like an Israeli Soldier. I even said that these people were not consistant with Gedolai Torah who Paskened that there was no issues with were the proposed buildings are meant to go up…
My comment was that YWN didn’t produce a background to the story…
computerbubby: There going to come for you first. They always go after those most like them, closest to secularism.
Who cares if he was expecting this kind of reaction or not?!?! The problem lies in the action of those children and the chinuch that they are experiencing. People are entitled to their own opinions and feelings about and towards the IDF, but to outwardly express the negative in a way as sickening as this video is by no means acceptable. And then we wonder why we have so many tzaros and no geula…
Dovid hamelech was a soldier !
my cousin is in the idf he is chareidi I am proud of him. hey what you want them to die in Gaza god forbid
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ” Tommy, wait outside “;
But it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide.
Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap.
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul? ”
But it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes ” when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes, ” when the drums begin to roll.
We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be’ind,”
But it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind.
You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! ”
But it’s ” Saviour of ‘is country ” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An ‘Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool – you bet that Tommy sees!
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המלבין את פני חברו ברבים אין לו חלק לעוה”ב!!
How would anyone feel if one of their’s became a turncoat and joined the other side? During a time of war or shmad, when the enemies of the Torah are trying to force you to join them you must resist.
Children this is what happens when you dont join the army
I am a jewish charedi yeshivish woman and all I can say is that I’m absolutely disgusted. If you don’t want to join the army then get a petur and don’t join how dare you call someone a nazi for being in the army. Where are these chuldrens mothers and fathers. I hope they are very ashamed of the chilul Hashem they made. There children have no middos at all. Have you ever taught your children who nazis are???? If you wanna call an boy in the idf and nazi then you should not live in Israel and be protected by them day and night. In fact they should be receiving so much respect from all of yisroel
Tzioni Haganah Leyisrael represents kefirah.
A bunch of sick degenerates who give the overwhelming decent majority, Chareidi and otherwise, of Bet Shemesh a bad name.
this type behavior is splitting us [the religious factions ]apart.how painful to use that “word”…
This chayal (although I completely disagree with protesting and insulting one) was very well aware what neighborhood he was in… He knew when he walked in there that he is going to get that. Big chances are that he walked in their to spite them… if thats the case then you get what you pay for.
Our zaidi Avraham, Rebbe Akiva and his tens of thousands of talmidim, and the Chofetz Chaim all just tore kriyah at this bizayon. Those weren’t yidden yelling. Those weren’t the sounds of baalei bayshanus, rachmanus and chasadus…. those beings were klippos mamesh.
The depth of insanity is too much to bear theese hassidim are tottaly detached from reality it is unbeleivable how spoiled they are,if they would have to go out and wrok everyday they would not have the appetite for this kinf of insanity spoiled beyond words .
The guy is holding a gun. Why didn’t he just use it. Oh I guess he’s not a nazi.
LBJ – please read Sefer Devarim, Sefer Shmuel, Sefer Yehoshua again and also Rambams laws of Melachim. You might find that you are the one who is Cofer!!! Also read again books by Rabbi Avigdor Miller about how we need the army and how in Sefer Shmuel certain tribes are admonished for not training and arming themselves
The reason Hashem had to use the Secular Zionists to bring us back to Eretz Yisral is because we didnt heed the signs. The Vilna Gaon and the Chasam Sofer (amongst others) tried to get us back but again we didnt listen. Where is Vilna, Voloshin and Brisk today? Zionism is changing within itself and secular zionism is dying. Religious Zionism is thriving Baruch Hashem
I wonder where the degenerates screaming at the soldier came from, and what they’re doing in the area? This scene is in RBS A, on Rechov Nachal Sorek, right outside the main RBS A shopping center. This area is very chareidi, but not with the Eda/Yerushalmi-type that usually are involved with this kind of Kafuy Tov and can be seen in this video. That group lives mainly in RBS B, which is over a mile away.
an Israeli Yid
#2: This behavior is exactly what makes people oppose Torah and the Charedim.
I ALMOST THREW UP WHEN I SAW THIS!!! I’m impressed with his self control; especially when holding an automatic rifle!
Hashem will definitely take care of these CHOLIM!! I would say we should demand of their rebbes to order that they stop this disgusting behavior, but they are doing it too.
Where is Vilna, Voloshin and Brisk today?
thriving all over the world in every yeshiva what world are you in. there is no milchemes mitzvah today ask any of the real gedlolim or rather anyone with seichel hayashar.
#8 – You’re 100% correct. When you walk into a pen with rabid dogs you might get bitten.
so disgusting to see a real hillul hashem
These “jews” have no chelek in olam habah. These “jews” who yell and scream and cause massive irrevocable chillul Hashem in public all in the name of Torah are no different than the Rasha. Even if they were in Egyot they would not have been redeemed. Mazel Tov to the parents of these kids who have trained them as such-you will be proud going to the grave knowing that you have caused chillul Hashem, chillul Torah and hatred from the non-jewish and jewish world at large.
No wait! Youw ill complain that you have no meney and that teh government doesnt help you-you will then stone them, yell at them and call them nazi’s all in the name of YOUR torah. You are all a pathetic bunch of losers-you have nothing to do but fight with your fellow jews. I absolutely abhor you all.
And to you IBJ-where is the real Yeshiva? It certainly is not in the street in RBS-and if it is-it should be shut down.
while not condoning what went on in this video, the shouting or choice of words shouted( i think its completely wrong to waste the term “nazi”, it lowers its value dramatically when one compares a chradie soldier to those animals that murdered my grandfathers family), i think the soldier knew exactly what he was getting in to. watch seconds 0:06-0:09 and see the look on his face….
a) Apparently Holocaust education should be MANDATORY for Charedi schools. Obviously (!!) a Frum soldier in an army defending milions of Jews in Eretz Yisroel is NOT the equivalent of a Nazi who tried to murder all the Jewish men, women and children in the most horrible ways.
b) What can be SERIOUSLY done to Address this. I know YW had a recent editorial about Chilul Hashem. It was Also a Chilul Hashem that no one spoke out against the screamers. I should mention on the internet ine sees quite a few Haredim end up going off the derech. Teaching Derech Erets and Mentshlichkeit and about the differences among 100% Kosher Frum Yiddin may help at least a little to stop that.
I was a bachur in israel and have seen scenes like this numerous times. In elul there where many hafganos, when did these hafganos take place?in mid afternoon i see signs calling for these demonstrations at 2 in the afternoon. Why arent these guys in yeshiva? Plus all this is there life they have no outlets besides this they love this, and in my opinion this is why ppl died by the levaya as one person commented they look fwd to this and everyone needs to be in the front, they need to be taught proper middos and have more outlets!!
Hashem please help us we see that we need your help and can’t manage without you.
Perhaps: It’s time that we together with all Rabbonim, Rashaya Yeshivas, Gedolim and Rebbes שליט”א, abolish the long Bein Hazmanim and keep it to a real MINIMUM!!!
May Hashem have Rachmonus on all Yidden world wide, and help us do Teshuva to encourage the coming of Moshiach in the near future, Amen.
#8 you are 100% WRONG and you #17 shouldn’t be so quick to blindly support him. As #13 says the area where the soldier is walking is an area where soldiers and all sorts of people walk all day and everyday without incident. It is across from the building the houses the supermarket “Zol B’Shefa” in the RBS A shopping center. Happens to be that this afternoon a group of protesters came en masse from RBS B to protest what they perceive as building on kevorim. The soldiers timing was just off. Our neighborhood while chareidi in character is very grateful by and large to all those dedicated soldiers who risk their lives everyday and even those in our neighborhood (if they exist) that aren’t as grateful as they should be certainly don’t feel as these lunatics do. So soldiers (and all other Jews) you are welcome to come visit our neighborhood. Please don’t listen to # 3 and #17 oh and #17 don’t worry about the rabies we all got our shots.
if these chayos were truly a true example of yiddishkeit, I would have left the fold a long time ago. Baruch Hashem my parents taught me midos and derech eretz, unlike these dfrek fressers. These are just mentally deficient people dressed in chasidic garb. Oh, and that applies to every person here who blames the soldier. As is the case of molested kids, there are always those who blame the victim.
I am so proud of my son who proudly served his people and his country in the Nachal chareidi Netzach Yehudah division. I also salute the ahavas yIsrael of Rabbi Yochanan Danziger and the other devoted Jews who encouraged these young men who daily risk their lives for all of their people (both those who appreciate their sacrifice and those who don’t ). Hashem loves us and loves our soldiers. I salute all of our sons, the learners, the fighters and the earners. This is what it takes to be a nation. Love you all.
#4 I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is an embarrassing chilul Hashem. What are these people THINKING??
Attention Mr. Toras Moshe:
Did you forget the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza?
Do you really believe that there is a drop of Reward waiting for someone in the next world, if he during his life time destroyed other people? Show me proof from Toras Moshe that my understanding is an error. I will watch for your reply in the comments.
Everyone in that mob must observe Yom ha’Atzmaut next week, and be forced to clean the toilets at army bases for life.
what a chillul hashem that soldier was forsure koneh olam haba like chazal say yesh koneh olamo bsha achas and all of those reshaim were koneh gehenom in one second arent those flat hatters the people who represent the chareidi community the most with the long robes and the curly peios dont they realize that thanks to the israeli soldiers they are able to live in peace in eretz yisroel they are kafuy tov and sofam leyrash gehenom how come the rabbonim go out against the reform and conservative and the tzionim and these people that are 100 times worse noone speaks out against them are these the same anilmals that kiss the arabs nd encourage them to keep terrorizing the state of israel.
this is disgusting who knows if that frum soldier was having a hard time staying frum in the army . its not easy . just imagine now what his attitude towards the frume will be those beheimos will burn in gehenom and serve as a heater to keep that soldier warm during the winter while he is sitting in gan eden. may hashem taake his revenge on those animal lije we say in the piyut of yigdal nosen lrasha ra kirishaso. and may we be zoche to see all of those fakers die out in the milchama of gog umagog and then moshiach ben dovid will ome to be goel the real yidden who do the ratzon hashem and arent mechallel sheim shomayim befahrhesia.amen.
I certainly do not agree with such obnoxious behavior,but for the sake of accuracy,this headline is a bit mis leading.
These “chasidim” were finishing up there “Golevensis project” kevarim protest.(they view the bones found, render the site assur to build on).
They were just screaming at the yasamnikim and other police who were
at the site.They actually protest at the site quite regularly.
Many “chasidim” were thrown into puddles of mud and pushed aside forcefully.What you are seeing is some of them marching after there organized prayer protest.
The soldier smiled as he was walking b/c soldiers are always seen in this area of Ramat beth shemesh,and no big deal.
These particular “chasiddim” are used to calling the police ,who beat them nazis,so here some seemed to get carried away again.I saw this whole seen from my balcony,it is a shame you could not see the police running after them and police vans as well as special water canon vehicles,chasing away the crowd.I in no way agree with this “chasidic” chilul hashem,however I also Did not like to see the “chasidim” being kicked and pushed by rough brutal police .You can look back in your YWN archives for more details on the eida chareidis’ differing opinions regarding the building being halachicly permissable once the bones were found at the site.)
#2 thank you toras moshe, a true ehrlicher yid who keeps toras moshe!!!
#4 dotty (what a suitable name), have you EVER read the statistics before you wrote a comment in this subject. OVER 99% of the boys that join the army go off the derech… ARE YOU NORMAL!! is that the army you want YOUR son to join?
#9 you must be a bissle mixed up, the army are the klipos. do you know how many millions of shekels have been put in ‘getting the chareidim into the army’!!! they have a special inyan in getting us in, and we have to fight them!
#12 yeah, chardalnik, even you would agree that most of the shtark chardalnikim who go through the 3 year army stint don’t come out on the same spiritual level as they went in!
and as #16 said, volozhin, brisk and vilna are thriving IN the yeshivos, NOT in the army!
and i can assure you that rav avigdor miller was NOT talking about the israeli army of nowadays
#19 you’ve probably been watching too many moovies to realise that all those chareidi soldiers are choiteh u’machti. they are proud to go around as chareidi soldiers, and like amolek, they the cool down the others – making it an ‘okay’ thing to go into the army. so i wonder WHO doesn’t have a chelek in olam haba.
bekitzer, it’s fun posting comments from just watching a clip and being so biased. When it comes to the subject of the israeli army, read up a little on it b/4 you post.
not too long ago, YWN posted that a frum soldier was maltreated for wanting to keep his beard. now if this happened in america whooo hooo what a noise would be heard out there. i know of boys who were forced to work on shabbos – not pikuach nefesh – they were forced to do sponja to clean the baracks b/4 one of the captains came to visit the army base…
is THAT called a jewish army?!
for heaven’s sake, stop giving a ‘mehadrin hechsher’ to this wicked army!
אין לנו על מי להישען אלא על אבינו שבשמים not on the IDF
Toras Moshe- The soldiers are not our enemy and they are not the “other side.” The soldiers are Gods messengers in protecting us from our enemies using teva and hishtadlus. And while people learning may provide greater protection against our enemies, they certainly don’t risk their lives doing so and we owe the one’s who do hakaras hatov.
If there is an “enemy” in this saga, it is those who are trying to force people out of the beis medrash into the army, but not the soldiers themselves. And if a person decided that full time Torah study is not for him, then going to the army and risking his life to protect Klal Yisroel is a heroic act, not a Nazi like enemy act of the “other side.”
@geula This is in Ramat Beit Shemesh Alef, they do not live in this neighborhood. They live in bet. The soldier lives in alef. Chutzpa to come to his/my neighboorhood and behave like this… I think I’m going to throw a parade in bet on Yom Hatzmaut and see how they like it.
yup I agree, all Jews should lay down their weapons and invite their nice neighbors – Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, PLO, Iran and maybe ISIS to live in peace and harmony. Then we could all be M’kayem the wishes of the saintly Satmar Rav. Sounds wonderful doesn’t it? If you don’t like that idea too much, do you have any others?
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL JUMPING TO WRONG CONCLUSION….
THIS PROTEST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SOLDIER!!!!!!
THE PEOPLE YOU SEE PROTESTING ARE PROTESTING FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY BEING BUILT ON JEWISH GRAVES!!!! THEY HAPPEN TO BE WRONG BECAUSE THE GEDOLIM HAVE REVIEWED THE CASE AND PASKENED THAT THERE WERE NO GRAVES IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY WILL BE BUILDING FUTURE APT. BUILDINGS.
THEY ARE JUST PROTESTING FOR THE BUILDINGS AND THIS GUY HAPPEN TO PASS BY WHEN EVERYONE IS VENTING…
I KNOW I LIVE IN RIGHT THERE!!!!!
Moderators Note: And this gives them a reason to call a Jew a “Nazi”? Just want to make sure we all understand the “dan lechas zechus” you are giving these people. Cant help but wonder aloud if you actually believe the holy Satmar Rebbe ZATZAL would have EVER dared call an Israeli Soldier – or any other Jew a “Nazi”?
“the army are the klipos”
….18year old kids, brought up with zero background, who mamash defend millions of yidden…. THEY are klippos? I’m not sure you know what the word means.
“do you know how many millions of shekels have been put in getting the chareidim into the army”
…probably 1 or 2,000,000. maybe. trillions less than have been put in the pockets of those who have NO business learning full time.
This is what happens when you are mess with yiddishkeit.
For millenia we were learner/earners.
That IS yiddishkeit.
We went from asarah batlanim to you-can’t-get-a-shidduch-if-you-worked-for-your-parnassah.
A Mentsch works.
a Mentsch provides for his own family.
a Mentsch never misses a minyan.
a Mentsch never misses a seder and shows up on time.
a Mentsch learns every free second he can in between.
a Mentsch lives his whole day b’toras this learning.
These beings are certainly NOT mentches.
And the reason is because they live on handouts.
Becoming a mentsch is a progression that requires working.
(Working in a field, manner and way that is b’toras halacha and ehrlichkeit of course.)
Exhibit A: the welfare society in America.
Have you ever met the teenager bred out of a Multi generational welfare family?
They have the same middos as those “people” in the video.
The biggest chillul hashem of all is posting something which is a chillul Hashem and inviting everyones comments about it (the comments are actually more of a chillul Hashem than the scene itself).
that’s garbage. Even the goyim know: The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Even if you want to say he was in the “wrong” place at the “wrong” time, how can these people possibly call a fellow Jew, Nazi???
torahsmoshe-the turncoats here are the biney chabala donned in black coats screaming “Nazi”, on a day when Jews with infinitely more Torah midos commemorate the lives that the real Nazis took. All that they established is the true bankruptcy of their hashkafas, and yours. If you feel it is gods will to swarm and harass Torah observant soldiers who put themselves between unarmed chareidi women/children and bullets,rpg’s,ied’s from chezbollah and isis, then I would choose shmad over whatever idol worship both you and they are selling as “torahs moshe”. You all pervert what I hold dear.
Geula- i urge you to know some facts before defending evil. This atrocity took place in the soldiers own neighborhood! The soldier is walking on the side walk of his own neighborhood, towards either his house or the shopping area when he is surrounded and accosted by insurgents who had blocked a busy street “leshem shomayim”
These terrorists are beyond help from Holocaust education, in fact, they blame the holocaust on any jews that have hashkafos different than theirs. The only solution I have is
A jew who cares- if posters criticizing the people in the story is a chilul Hashem, then isn’t your criticizing of those posters a chillul Hashem?
Toras Moshe I hope you dont represent the yeshiva Toras Moshe (TOMO) you are the type of person who turned me off from the charedi world. If they all think like you (which they dont ive later learned) then what makes them GDs chosen people? I used to have a naive idea of live and let live but you show me that even though i dont mind people who think like you you mind people who think like me. go think, learn, and stop wasting your time posting terrible hurtful things online
a) I do think it should have been pointed out the mob came for a protest regarding alleged ancient graves. That’s why there was a mob
b) at the same time Of COurse its an outrage so many “frum heimish” dressing people shouted Nazi at a frum Jewish soldier in an army that defends millions of Jews, including THEM, in Eretz Yisroel, our holy land and heritage. It is WRONG because 1) embarrassing a fellow Jew, 2) chillul Hashem for the treatment of a soldier, 3) calling a Jew a Nazi is an outrage – even a non-Jew should not be called a Nazi unless they want to murder and / or torture millions of Jews.
c) is there a constructive purpose to the video that can help STOP this – otherwise it might be perpetuating a Chilul Hashem. I do agree – something SHOULD be tried to be done.
monseyshechita: I’m not familiar with that yeshiva.
geula #8: +1
chilliworker2 #33: +1
for them to re experience the holocaust. They need to be reminded of what true Nazis are. Immediate mass emigration to Europe or Iraq is all that can knock some humanity into these animals.
Is this Adopt a Kollel?
TorasMoshe – I hope when the New Age Nazis come for you, you have other Jews to protect you & your family.
Geula – I live in RBSA, fortunately away from this ugly incident, so I didn’t see it. However, these animals from Bet who call themselves frum have no business marching into MY neighborhood & telling us what to do. This soldier is a hero. He would lay down his life in a heartbeat for these ungrateful leeches who take but never give.
And on a similar note – when the siren for Yom Hashoah sounded today, my neighbor’s daughter stood & said Tehillim to honor 6 million Kedoshim. Her zaidie was in Dachau for 3 years. So what did her Chassidic teacher do? She called her student a goy.
This is what is happening – hatred seems to be self-perpetuating & decent people live in fear. No more.
This is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen and a huge Chilul Hashem.
It makes no difference what they went there for.
They seriously stepped over the line calling another Jew a nazi.
How dare they?!?!!
The message they intended to give was “we represent the Torah world; you do not”. Do any of us disagree that the behavior displayed by them is the antithesis of torahdicke behavior?
I think not.
Whether one agrees or not about serving in the army, basic mentchlechkeit towards another we can all agree upon.
I am so proud of my son who proudly served his people and his country in the Nachal chareidi Netzach Yehudah division. I also salute the ahavas yIsrael of Rabbi YD and the other devoted Jews who encouraged these young men who daily risk their lives for all of their people (both those who appreciate their sacrifice and those who don’t ). Hashem loves us and loves our soldiers. I salute all of our sons, the learners, the fighters and the earners. This is what it takes to be a nation. Love you all.
This is just sick. The NAZIs brutally murdered every Jew they could. Our holy soldiers protect us and our ability to live here and learn here. And yes, I am chareidi. And I’ve lived in RBS A.
I know dozens of great boys who went into the army through hesder, netsach or mechina and had great, character building experiences. The very few that went off are unfortunate, but it wasn’t because of the army. I have friends from the best yeshivas in NY who went off after three years on beis midrash – the army has nothing to do with it.
To the moderator: I didn’t say that their actions were correct or justified. I absolutely agree with you that there is no place to call another Jew a Nazi, especially a Kadosh like an Israeli Soldier. I even said that these people were not consistant with Gedolai Torah who Paskened that there was no issues with were the proposed buildings are meant to go up…
My comment was that YWN didn’t produce a background to the story…
computerbubby: There going to come for you first. They always go after those most like them, closest to secularism.
Who cares if he was expecting this kind of reaction or not?!?! The problem lies in the action of those children and the chinuch that they are experiencing. People are entitled to their own opinions and feelings about and towards the IDF, but to outwardly express the negative in a way as sickening as this video is by no means acceptable. And then we wonder why we have so many tzaros and no geula…
Dovid hamelech was a soldier !
my cousin is in the idf he is chareidi I am proud of him. hey what you want them to die in Gaza god forbid
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ” Tommy, wait outside “;
But it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide.
Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap.
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul? ”
But it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes ” when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes, ” when the drums begin to roll.
We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be’ind,”
But it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind.
You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! ”
But it’s ” Saviour of ‘is country ” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An ‘Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool – you bet that Tommy sees!