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Yayin Nesech/Stam Yeinom

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  • Started 1 year ago by Torah613Torah
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  1. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    A Jew who doesn't keep Shabbos makes his own wine. Can he drink it?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    What would the חשש be?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    Machlokes Haposkim. Many hold yes for a few reasons. Some do hold that he can't.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. kwaiker
    Joseph

    What are the reasons cited by some who hold he can?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    kwaiker- I don't understand the reason why he cannot drink it. What would the חשש be? He knows everything he did with it- unless he has no נאמנות to believe himself?!?

    weird q altogether

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Sam: What if he is a mumar l'hachiis for a davar echod, and that davar echod is that he drinks yayin nessech.

    Can he drink his own wine?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. fkelly
    Not Irish

    If he doesn't keep shabbos then he most probably isn't worried about drinking yayin nesech.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    fkelly- the question be, does he get an extra Aveira for it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. musser zoger
    Member

    it would be stam yaynom...not yayin nesech.

    Edited.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    Talmud: Part of this Machlokes is whether someone without Ne'emanus has Ne'emanus for themselves.

    This Shaila is very Nogea L'ma'aseh at the Seder, by the way. If you have a guest who is a Mechalel Shabbos B'farhesia, can you pour him a glass of non-Mevushal wine or is it Lifnei Iver because he will touch it before drinking it?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. playtime
    Likes to take himself aback

    Sam2- where is this machlokes? never learnt Nazir.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    So what is the answer? This is halacha l'maaseh btw (although since it seems to be such a machlokes, I'm going to have to call a Rav about it...)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    Talmud: Start with the Nosei Keilim (I don't think it's any major ones) by Bishul Akum and whether that applies to a Mechalel Shabbos B'farhesia. I think it begins to be referenced around there. I don't recall who says what off the top of my head.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. Sam2
    The Even-Keeled and Erudite Shmuely Wollenberger from Las Vegas

    t613: How is it actually L'ma'aseh? Unless you plan on having a Mechalel Shabbos B'farhesia at your Seder table and plan on serving non-Mevushal wine, in which case ask your Rav. Or just buy Mevushal.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    Your parents make their own wine for Pesach use. My partner in Torah came up with this question.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. kwaiker
    Joseph

    How is it lmaaisa? Her parents are mechallel Shabbos? Even so, she cannot do anything to stop her parents from drinking their wine. So where's the lmaaisa?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. Chacham
    not Joseph

    I once heard that when REb Elchonon was in America someone told him he works on shabbos but lmaaseh he doesn't trust anybody in americas shchita so he wanted to shecht his own meat. HE asked if the psul of the shechita of a mechalel shabbos is a psul in neemanus or a psul in the chalois shechita.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    Kwa - Say they are at the Seder. And they make their own wine just for Pesach.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. Torah613Torah
    (613)Torah²

    The psak I got was to not tell her it could be a problem.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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