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  • Started 2 years ago by wannaknow
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  1. wannaknow

    Hi all.

    I was wondering if anyone has information on Rav Peretz Steinberg's giyurim. He's is a rav in Queens, New York. Is a giyur by him accepted throughout the frum world? Israel? I have seen two lists of accepted giyur by the chief rabbinate, one list hes on and the other he is not. How about the charadishe oylam, do they accept his giyur?

    Thanks for any help you can give.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    He's very broadly accepted. Good choice.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. wannaknow

    Thank you. I am happy people know of him.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    His conversions are NOT on the Rabbanut list, yet conversions done by the most respected rabbis are not on the list either. R' Marc Angel, for instance, is the former RCA president, and the RCA today has distanced themselves from him. Giyur has been distorted to the worst possible extent.

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  5. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    yet conversions done by the most respected rabbis are not on the list either. R' Marc Angel, for instance, is the former RCA president, and the RCA today has distanced themselves from him.

    I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but I think if the RCA has distanced themselves from him, that is a sign that he is not "the most respected rabbis".

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. farrocks

    Angel is buddies with Avi Weiss.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Angel is buddies with Avi Weiss.

    Assuming you mean theologically they are buddies (which they are, as is confirmed by a simple google search), that certainly explains it.

    I suppose if anyone wants a giyur with him, I don't really care. But they certainly shouldn't be surprised if nobody will marry their kids until the kids get an orthodox geirus.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Eli51

    Giyurim who are converted from the Lakewood Beis Din under the guidance of R. Nissan Karelitz is the most accepted here in the U.S. There are also other peoples giyurim that are also accepted. Therefore I reccomend anyone who wants to become a ger should use the Lakewood Beis as there is no one who will questions whether there Giyurim are accepted.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. Could be you're right, but I'm pretty sure there's no Beis Din in Lakewood that does geirus under the auspices of R' Nissan Karelitz. There is one that used to work with R' Nochum Eisenstein, but I'm not sure if that is still the case.
    There is an organization called Tiferes Bais Yisrael that helps direct converts to Batei Din that are accepted worldwide, and also helps in finding mentors and rabbis that will help along the way. They have a searchable database on their website: jewishfamilyfocus-dot-org.

    Good Luck

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. iced

    Rav Nochum Eisenstein is Rav Eliyashev's zt'l's right-hand man.

    Tiferes Bais Yisroel engages in conversion practices that have been denounced by the Badatz in Yerushalayim.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. iced... is that true? where did you hear that? I know that they have the support of most of the major yeshiva-ish Batei Din in the US, so it's really surprising to hear that they engage in inappropriate conversion practices. What practices are they?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. By the way... I'm also pretty sure that Tiferes Bais Yisrael doesn't actually do geirus. All they do is refer people to Batei Din, Rabbis, and Mentors.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. wannaknow

    Hey everyone, I just wanna let everyone know, that rav steinberg is the av beis din of the young israel beis din, as well as a dayan on the beis din of the igud harrabonim, and Ive heard he is extremely respected by the Torah vodas and chafetz chaim communities. In addition i recently found out the the rabanut in israel also accepts his giyur.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. iced

    JARJ: Tiferes Bais Yisroel used to be called Eternal Jewish Family (EJF). They simply changed their name. They proseltize to goyim. Rav Moshe Shternbuch shlit"a, Raavad of the Badatz, wrote a letter denouncing it.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. Iced... I think you should investigate things before you speak (or type in this case)... From what I understand from some people involved in geirus that work with them, they made some significant changes in the organization when they restructured. It wasn't just a cosmetic name change. Leadership changed, programming changed, and the mission, to some extent, changed as well. That's why all of the yeshiva-ish Batei Din returned to working with them.

    Take a look at the website and see for yourself.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. iced

    What makes you think they changed their mission and programming?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Because I know people that work with them. I think if you'd take a look at their web site, or speak with anyone affiliated with them, you'd agree. Or ask around dayanim that you know that sit on a geirus Beis Din. From what I understand, there's no opposition any more.

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  18. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    The motzei shem ra against a talmid chacham exhibited here is shocking. Rabbi Angel is a talmid of Rav Soloveitchik. People here called him non-Orthodox, which is a vicious falsehood. Modern Orthodoxy is hated and loathed by the Haredim, which is sina of the worst kind.

    Nochum (Norman) Eisenstein, like other Haredim, embodies an unprecedented stance on giyur and kabbalas hamitzvos. They are no different than Reformers; the psak of the Beis Yitzchok that they follow goes against the Talmud, Rambam, and Shulchan Aruch.

    He also invented a halakha that a dayan on a beit din who accepts evolution is pasul l'dayanus. Therefore, hypothetically, according to Eisenstein, choshuve rabbonim like R' Aryeh Kaplan, zt"l, the Netziv, Rav SR Hirsch, the Yachin u'Boaz, R' Eliyahu Benamozegh, Rav Kook, the Maharsham, the Maharatz Chayes, R' Slifkin, and many others are all pasul because they fail to embrace a relatively contemporary Haredi inclination towards the rejection of scientific data.

    The qualifications for a dayan on a conversion beis din are minimal.

    Meiri, Yevamos 46b, explains that for giyur, all Jewish men may be considered mumchim for the sake of giyur courts since the only function they are performing halachically is witnessing the tevilah and casually explaining the mitzvos and implications thereof upon the candidate.

    The Shu"T Binyamin Ze'ev (1:72) says that a conversion is valid when the 3 witnesses are hedyotot. The Rambam mentions that three is the requirement for giyur, he notes, and does not davka say that the three need to be mumchim.

    There are no theological or ideological litmus tests for a dayan to sit on a conversion beis din. All that is required is that the dayan be kosher l'edut, and when it comes to determining this, we don't construct halakhic straw men.

    Eisenstein also said that Ethiopian Jews require giyur, contra the Radbaz and Hakham Oovadia Yosef (this is motivated by racist sentiments, most likely.

    He invited the convicted sexual abuser Mordechai Tendler into his shul to give a shiur, and his shaychus to Yosef Tropper, whose arayos, crimes, and perversions are too explicit and raunchy to mention here, r"l, is extremely damning.

    And yet this is the man we're supposed to respect as a great halakhic authority. This is a shonda.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    BTW, the list of approved rabbonim by the Rabbanut is as follows:

    Melbourne Beit Din

    Sydney Beth Din

    Rabbi Baruch Lashs

    Rabbi Moshe Gutnick

    Rabbi Yehoram Ulman

    Rabbinical Court Machzikei HaDaas
    Rabbi Eliyahu Sternbuch
    Rabbi Yitzchak Tuvia Weiss

    Rabbi David Leiberman
    Rabbi J. Cohen

    RCA - Conversion Programme
    Administrator: Eddie Shostak – with special approval on a case by case basis.

    Rabbi Yonasan Binyomin Weiss
    Beth Din of Montreal
    Tel: 514-739-6363 ext. 202
    Fax: 514-739-7024

    Rabbi Asher Vale

    Beis Din of Vancouver

    Rabbi Yaacov Medar

    Rabbi Mordechai Rotenberg

    Rabbi Shmuel Schlesinger

    Rabbi Mordechai Zekbach

    Rabbi Yichye Tubol
    Rabbi Mencahem Klein

    Rabbi Y. Ehrenberg
    (In association with a Beth-Din from Israel)

    Beit Din of the organization of Orthodox Rabbis in Germany
    Roonstrasse 50 50674 Köln
    49-221-921560-20 (+)
    49-221-921560-19 (+) (Fax)

    Chief Rabbi Elihu Toaff
    Rabbino Alberto A. Piatteli

    Rabbi Josef Laras
    Email: giuseppe.laras@gmail.com

    Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag
    [resides in Brooklyn, NY, USA]

    There are at present no permanent Orthodox conversion courts in Poland.
    There are Rabbis who support potential converts (on a case by case basis), and can guide them through the entire process. The conversion itself is done by Rabbis from Israel who are sent on behalf of the Israeli Rabbinate for this purpose.
    Whoever is interested in converting in Poland can contact the Chief Rabbi’s Office, Rabbi Michael Schudrich:
    The Polish Jewish community's website is: http://www.jewish.org.pl/

    Rabbi Pinchas Goldshmidt

    Rabbi Berel Lazar

    South Africa
    Rabbi Moshe Kurtstag

    United Kingdom
    Beit Din of London

    Dayan E. Padwa

    Rabbi Y.Lichtenstein
    Federation of Synagogues

    Rabbi G. Krauss

    Rabbi Y. Refson
    United States
    Beth Din of America / Rabbinical Council of America
    Rabbi Michoel Zylberman
    (+)1-212 -807-9000, extension 3

    Participating Batei Din: http://www.judaismconversion.org/batei.din.html

    Los Angeles
    Rabbinical Council of California
    Rabbi Avrohom Union
    (+)1-213-389-3382 ,extension 131
    Email: runion@rccvaad.org

    Rabbi Gavriel Cohen
    Rabbi Avraham Teichman
    Telephone: (+)1-323-9390298
    Fax: (+)1-323-9333686
    Rabbi Shmuel Ohana
    (+) 1-818-216-5730 Direct Line
    (+) 1-818-901-1598 Office Telephone
    (+) 1-818-901-1759 Office Fax

    South Florida Beit Din for Conversion
    Rabbi Efrem Goldberg

    Rabbi David Lehrfeld
    North Miami Beach

    Rabbi Ilan D. Feldman

    South-East Regional Beth Din for Conversion
    Rabbi Adam Starr

    Beth Din Zedek of Chicago Rabbinical Council
    Rabbi Gedalia Dov Schwarz

    Rabbi Shmuel Fuerst

    Rabbi M. Feldman

    Rabbi Abraham Halbfinger
    Vaad Harabonim of Massachusetts

    Rabbi I.M. Levin

    St. Louis
    Rabbi Sholom Rivkin

    New Jersey
    Bet Din of the Rabbinical Council of Bergen County
    Rabbi Steven Pruzansky

    Rabbi Eliezer Teitz

    New York
    Manhattan Beth Din for Conversions
    Rabbi Zvi Romm

    Rabbinical Alliance of America
    Rabbi Hershel Kurzrock

    Beth Din of Agudath Harabbonim
    Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag

    Rabbi Eliyahu Ben-Haim
    Sepharadic Beth Din of Queens
    Rabbi Menachem Zilber

    Rabbi S.J. Landesman

    Rabbi Grananstein
    Rabbi David Zlatin

    Beth Din of Cincinnati
    Rabbi Hanan Balk
    Rabbi A. Brisman

    Vaad HaRabbanim of Greater Pittsburgh
    Rabbi Langer
    Rabbi Moishe Mayer Vogel

    Va'ad Harabanim of Greater Seattle
    Rabbi Moshe Kletenik
    Washington D.C.
    Conversion Court of Washington D.C.
    Rabbi Barry Freundel

    Rabbi Menachem Senderovic

    Conversion in Latin America:
    There are at present no recognized rabbinic conversion courts and no Orthodox conversions in any Latin American country. Residents of Latin America who wish to convert do so before a rabbinic court in the United States, or – if the convert is eligible for aliya status – in Israel.
    The rabbis of Latin America listed below are known to support potential converts (on a case by case basis), and can guide them through the entire process.

    Rabbi Binyamin Zagury, Rio de Janeiro
    Rabbi Meir Fuksman, Sau Paulo
    Rabbi Matan Regev, Belem

    Rabbi Zizke Slomiansky, Mexico City
    Rabbi Abraham Palti, Mexico City

    Rabbi Itay Meushar, Lima

    Costa Rica
    Rabbi Gershon Miletski, San Jose

    Rabbi Moshe Bendahan, Madrid

    Rabbi Eliezer Di Martino, Lisbon

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  20. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    Doniel: You just keep on convincing yourself.

    Look, if you want to rely on Angel, go ahead. Everyone can do their own thing, and I don't really care one way or another.

    But a chacham has einav b'rosho. That is, you should be aware that orthodox jews may not accept his geirus.

    Also, for the record, I don't care who is rebbi is. I care who he is. Rebi Meir's rebbi was an apikores, and a large percentage of the talmidim in Volozhin were apikorsim.

    They don't even claim to be orthodox. They call themselves Open Orthodox to distinguish themselves from orthodoxy. The same way Conservative calls itself Conservative Judaism to distinguish itself from Judaism.

    And this has nothing to do with Modern Orthodoxy. Modern Orthodoxy and chareidim are very close compared to the distance both groups have from these clowns.

    Modern Orthodox rabbonim and establishments are the ones leading the charge on this. The chareidim are distanced from it; nobody from our community is going to get confused. It is the Modern Orthodox who to their credit have stepped up to the plate to expel this Eidah Ha'raah from our midst. ובערת הרע מקרביך.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. farrocks

    Those aren't positions of Rav Eisenstein shlit"a; those are positions of Maran Hagaon HaRav S. Y. Eliashev zt"l.

    Also, the Ethiopians are gentiles (unless they convert.)

    Angel is as Orthodox as Avi Weiss.

    A prospective convert who does not accept all 613, his purported conversion is invalid and was never effective.

    A Dayan who is an apikorus, is an invalid Dayan. And as Rav Eliashev said belief in evolution is apikorsus, that makes it pasul.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. zahavasdad

    Rabbi Perez Steinberg is actually part of the Vaad of Queens the only organization that has actually guideliness for converts.

    If somone went to Torah Vadaas and asked to convert, Rav Belsky tells them to go to Queens

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    RABBI Angel is as chashuv as they come, and his commitment to torah and mitzvot is unquestionable. His ideas on giyur are rooted in the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, and Rav Uziel, zt"l, and if you wish to be frummer than the Piskei Uziel, Mechaber, or Rambam, that is your prerogative.

    Show me one credible source which says that believing in scientific evidence is apikorsus, or that there are ideological litmus tests as to who can sit on a conversion beis din.

    If you assume that evolution is apikorsus, and a rabbi who believes in it is pasul, than you just slapped so many gedolim in the face, Rav Kook and Rav Hirsch included.

    Others don't have to be wrong for you to be right. This religion of triumphalism and one upmanship is not what G-d had in mind when He gave us the Torah and it is certainly not what they had in mind in Sura and Pumbedita.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. HaLeiVi
    Plays the aeolian harp by air

    zahavasdad, that's interesting, because I know of Giyurim that Rav Belsky did.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. zahavasdad

    Rav Ovadiah Yosef says the Ethiopians are jewish and Rav Elyashiv says they are not

    Who are we to follow?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    doniel: Angel is as chashuv as they come

    If by they, you mean the conservative jews, that is very possible. I'm not personally in the habit of ranking their chashivus, and I'm not sure what the criteria would be, but I'm sure there is a way to do so.

    But, I'm sure he doesn't hold a candle to Saul Lieberman (who by the way, wrote a teshuva אסור-ing the stuff that Weiss does, so they aren't even conservative--they are left wing conservative. hee hee)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    What has R' Angel done that even resembles the Conservative movement?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. farrocks

    The bottom line is that if someone is foolish enough to get a conversion through Angel, he shouldn't expect that conversion to be widely recognized.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    I know R' Angel very closely, and anyone who challenges this gadol is passuling themselves.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. popa_bar_abba
    Incorrigible; eccentric; somewhere between mean and average; sometimes only a bit over the top; arbitrarily engaged in cynicism.

    I know...Angel very closely, and anyone who challenges...is passuling themselves.

    I see. So now you've passuled the RCA also. Nice.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  31. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    Nobody in the Modern Orthodox community would dare go against R' Angel, who was the past president of the RCA in the early 90's.

    Even Chassidishe batei din accept his conversions as kosher. There is no reason whatsoever to dispute a conversion where there has been milah, mikvah, 3 kosher eidim, and where the ger is observant.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  32. yehudayona

    The Rabbanut's list is out of date. Rabbi Abraham Halbfinger was niftar in September.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  33. yehudayona

    Please note that there are two people named Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein. One lives in E"Y and was a associated with R' Elyashiv ztl. The other lives in Lakewood and writes a column for Yated.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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