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  1. am23
    Member

    Hey,

    Do you know maybe an english speaking yeshiva for beginners affiliated to the Edah Haredit, in the US, Europe or Israel?

    Pessah kasher vesameah

    am23

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Not really affiliated with the Edah, more Litvish, but quite chareidi: Marbeh Torah in Bnei Brak.

    Not quite for absolute beginners, but relative beginners yes.

    Also I know Belz have a yeshiva for BTs in Jerusalem.

    Anyway, for current recommendations, you need to find someone in the know in Yerushalayim. Plenty of Americans in the Edah world there.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. am23
    Member

    Thank you very much.

    What is the difference between marbeh torah and another haredi and litvishe yeshiva?

    Do you know if the belz yeshiva for BT is an english speaking yeshiva?

    Ps: This is exactly what I need but this is difficult to find online.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    Marbeh Torah is top notch. So is Ohr Somayach and Aliyos Shmuel.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. am23
    Member

    thanks !

    No affiliation to the Edah for marbeh torah or midrash shmuel?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    The "Edah" is a non-Anglo religious entity, largely, that does beit din, hashgacha, etc.

    I don't understand what you mean by a yeshiva affiliated with a particular beit din,etc.

    You seem ignorant on this.

    My advice would be for you to seek out a BT yeshiva, like the ones I mentioned, or Shappells, or any of the others.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. am23
    Member

    No no I'm not ignorant on this. I mean affiliated to a community affiliated to the Edah... I thought it was implicit.

    What about the bt belz yeshiva? Is it english speaking?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    I know many people who became hozer be teshuva and they've asked the Gavad Weiss where to learn, and he's suggested the Litvish BT yeshivos, like Ohr Somayach.

    If I were to pursue this course of action, I'd take college Hebrew for 2 years, go to Ohr Somayach for 5-6 years, and then go to Marbeh Torah.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. am23
    Member

    Thank you very much. I totally agree with you.

    Do you know litvishe bt yeshivoths in America?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. Rabbi Perfect
    Member

    Well if you're looking for an Ashkenaz yeshiva for beginners I'd say Shappel's or Ohr Sameach (they have a variety of programs for both beginner and more advanced. Heard great things about their Derech program), if you're looking for a Sefardi yeshiva, Mikdash Melech is probably the top english-speaking Sefardi yeshiva in Israel, and although it's not such a beginner yeshiva, they do have a pretty low shiur, and they have a reputation for producing bnei Torah who go off to other big mainstream yeshivas (incuding Mir, Lakewood, R'Tzvi Kaplan, Kol Torah, and even Brisk)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    Shor Yoshuv and Ohr Somayach in Monsey.

    Are you a BT or a ger or both?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. am23
    Member

    Thank you Rabbi Perfect.

    I was raised modern orthodox so I am not really a BT (nor ger).

    I have never been in a yeshiva but I study halakha in a secular school. My level in guemara is still pretty low.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    If you can read Hebrew already, you can probably enter the intermediate division of Ohr Somayach, and after a year or two, get into the Mir.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. am23
    Member

    I can read but I do not understand it.

    In America, only shor yushuv and ohr somayach?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    That is about it in America, sadly.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. am23
    Member

    Thank you.

    Just one more thing. Do you know which of those yeshivoths allow wigs for women? I just know that Midrash Shmuel does not allow it and I am not even sure about that.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. abra cadabra
    Joseph

    Why wouldn't a yeshiva allow the yeshivaleits wives to wear a wig??

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    am23,

    You don't seem to have been acculturated too well.

    Why would a yeshiva generally take a stance on kissui harosh? That is an issue addressed by the poskim, with Hakham Ovadia Yosef, Rabbi AL Shteinman, and others not allowing peah nochrit.

    I don't see what wigs have to do with your interest in yeshivot.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. am23
    Member

    My last message has been deleted.

    Anyway, I just wanted to know if wearing a wig was frowned upon or not in the yeshiva community. That's all. I guess that in a toldos aharon yeshiva, it would not be easy to wear one.

    So here is my question again. In all the yeshivoths quoted in this topic, in which one it would be the hardest to wear a wig.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. Nechomah
    Member

    am23 - I think the point is that NOT ONE PERSON in the yeshivos mentioned here or actually anywhere wears a wig. The rabbonim in the yeshivos teach Torah. You have to pick your Rov who is someone you go to for halachic issues. If you are against a woman wearing a wig, then make sure that your Rov holds that way and then you will make sure to find a shidduch with a girl who does not care about wearing a wig. There are plenty of girls, even baalei teshuvah, who do not care about wigs.

    Just as an aside, any yeshiva associated with Toldos Aharon is not going to be for a baal teshuvah.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. abra cadabra
    Joseph

    Nechomah: We don't pick a Rov based on what we want to do and then go about finding a Rov who will allow what we want.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    If you follow R' Yosef, R' Elyashiv, R' Shteinman, etc. your wife wouldn't wear a wig.

    There are those who hold a wig is good, and those (myself included) who don't.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. am23
    Member

    Thanks

    I understand that. Regarding the yeshivoth quoted in this topic, if I understand well, there is not one stricter than another?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. kollel_wife
    Member

    It sounds like you are looking for a Baal Teshuva Yeshiva that is very Chareidi.

    I don't know if one exists or if readers here are familiar with such.

    We are familiar with Ohr Sameyach in Eretz Yisroel or in Monsey, Does anyone know is there still a Kol Yaakov in Monsey? There's also Machon Shlomo in Eretz Yisroel, I think.

    These yeshivos are not chasidishe and many of the Rabbaim's wives will wear wigs.

    The Belz yeshiva mentioned might be more relevant. Also, to gain skills you can try one of these yeshivos, and then go from there someplace you'd call "more chareidi."

    Good luck to you.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. am23
    Member

    Yes the belz yeshiva might be more relevant but it seems difficult to have any information about this yeshiva.

    I am not especially looking for a hassidic yeshiva, a mitnaged yeshiva may be more appropriate. Rav Shteinman or Rav Elyashiv zal: mitnagdim and against wigs.

    do you think this is the same for marbeh torah and midrash shmuel?

    Thank you for the advices!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. OneOfMany
    Today, the Impressively Arbitrary Nymphadora the Purple is sporting One Of her Many eyebrow colors, as well as her Morgul-blade ^_^

    I know a few Medrash wives and they all wear sheitlach. just sayin.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. Nechomah
    Member

    AC - Yes, I am aware that we don't go shopping for a psak or for a Rov who will give us such a psak, but it seems that he wants a yeshiva that will give him piskei halacha, which is not really the job of the yeshiva to do. If he doesn't want his wife to wear a sheitel, then he should stipulate that when going out on shidduchim. If he doesn't want his Rov to tell his wife that his own wife wears a sheitel, so it's OK to wear one, then he should pick a Rov who holds like this for himself.

    I had experience with this as far as my husband's Rov's wife does not wear a sheitel, but I was not prepared to go without for the rest of my life, but he told my husband (before we closed the shidduch) that his own mother and the Brisker wives (my husband and his Rov are Briskers) all wear sheitels, so it's OK for me to wear one also. Simply the Rov's mother-in-law did not wear a sheitel, so her daughter also does not. His daughters also do not, but it is OK for his talmidim's wives to wear them.

    This whole issue of sheitels has not one thing to do with learning in a Brisker yeshiva, as their limudim have to do with korbonos and kodshim, so no learning about sheitels in that yeshiva. This is an issue for a Rov or one's personal feelings in the matter.

    If the bochur wants to learn in Ohr Somaych or Aish HaTorah or any of the other BT yeshivas - BTW - I would not recommend a Belz yeshiva if he thinks a misnaged yeshiva would be more appropriate because they probably want people going there who have some connection to Belz chassidus and will be Belzer chassidim, not simply because of the sheitel issue. I also happen to know a lot of Belzer wives who do, in fact, wear sheitels.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. am23
    Member

    Nechomah, thank you (again) for your message. For me ideology is really important. For example, this is why I do not want to study in an Aish hatorah yeshiva because I think it is too much zionist for me (once again: please no debate about the zionist nature of Aish hatorah, I know some people believe Aish is not really zionist). I want to choose a yeshiva where I could feel comfortable.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. charliehall
    Member

    "If he doesn't want his wife to wear a sheitel, then he should stipulate that when going out on shidduchim."

    I always thought that it was the woman's job to figure out how to cover her hair in accordance with halachah, in consultation with her rabbi.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. abra-cadabra
    Joseph-2

    Actually it is the husband's job to determine the halacha and minhagim for his families observance.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  31. am23
    Member

    please don't start a debate over sheitel... or start another topic

    Posted 1 year ago #
  32. charliehall
    Member

    "Actually it is the husband's job to determine the halacha and minhagim for his families observance."

    Not if the husband isn't a posek!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  33. Charlie,

    I believe every thinking individual understood that abra cadabra was referring to the poskimm to consult/follow.

    And as far as minhagim that follows the husband. Not sure what that has to with a posek?!!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  34. am23
    Member

    Regarding my topic...

    What is the strictest bt yeshiva (as would say kollel-wife "the most chareidi")?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  35. Vogue
    school is soooooo passé

    Try contacting oorah. You can get a big scholarship for attending an eleven day summer camp towards attending yeshiva in Israel, including stipend. They can even help you find an appropriate Yeshiva for what you need. Even if you only get the financial grant for shana aleph, the camp will help you learn about the chareidi community in a kiruv environment, and I feel it would be very beneficial to you. Don't rely on people from this website to give you advice if they have never, at least, spoken to you on the phone about your life. Its totally worth it. They have an office in Lakewood, I know a lot of girls and some guys who got tuition assistance from oorah and it made a big difference financially for them for their year in seminary/ yeshiva.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  36. am23
    Member

    Thank you.

    I ask my question again:

    Regarding my topic...

    What is the strictest bt yeshiva (as would say kollel-wife "the most chareidi")?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  37. I replied with an extensive post on Friday but it was deleted by the mods....

    The answer: Marbeh Torah, absolutely. You cannot even compare it with Aish or Or Somayach. Anyone familiar with MT can confirm, but most people in that circle don't have internet.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  38. am23
    Member

    Why was it deleted?

    Thank you a lot. What about midrash shmuel or the yeshivoth in the US?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  39. rebdoniel
    Modern/Open Orthodox

    Marbeh Torah is not for the very beginner, though.

    You need to have some background prior to going there.

    What may suit you would be spending a year in Ohr Somayach and then going to Marbeh Torah for 2-3 years. MT was highly recommended to me by many roshei yeshiva.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  40. I agree with rebdoniel on that. You don't need a lot of background, but you do need some. Learning there means being dropped right into a very serious environment in Bnei Brak. It's not for everyone.

    I don't know those other places so well.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  41. am23
    Member

    I am not a baal teshuva, my family is modern orthodox and I have a background, but a small one. Do you think it can be good for Marbeh Torah?

    Also, can you give me more information about Mikdash melech and the Belz BT yeshiva.

    Thanks for all your answers.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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